Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Astronauts latest to criticize Trump’s decision to ditch Paris Climate Agreement

By Jillian MacMath, AccuWeather staff writer
June 13,2017, 8:19:06AM,EDT
 
 Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement has attracted condemnation from many. However, two of his harshest critics have seen the effects of climate change from a unique perspective, nearly 250 miles above planet Earth.
In addition to dozens of world leaders, Astronauts Thomas Pesquet and Scott Kelly have lambasted Trump for pulling out of the agreement, which makes the U.S. one of just three countries that have not committed.
Pesquet, who returned from the International Space Station on June 2, tweeted: “I took the Paris Agreement to the ISS: from space, climate change is very real. Some could probably use the view #MakeOurPlanetGreatAgain.”

Kelly was also quick to respond.
“Withdrawing from the #ParisAgreement will be devastating to our planet. Paris and Pittsburgh share the same environment after all,” Kelly tweeted, referring to the speech in which Trump said his commitment is first and foremost to American cities.

Trump announced on June 1 that he intended to pull out of the agreement, citing his responsibility to protect America and its citizens.
He vowed to renegotiate “fair” terms for the U.S. before re-entering the Paris agreement or any new agreements.
Though, in a joint statement from Germany, France and Italy, leaders said there would be no renegotiation.
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“We deem the momentum generated in Paris in December 2015 irreversible and we firmly believe that the Paris Agreement cannot be renegotiated, since it is a vital instrument for our planet, societies and economies," it read.
Despite the official position of the U.S., more than 75 cities from Los Angeles to New York have pledged to uphold their support for the original agreement. The accord aims to keep the global temperature from rising no more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels over the course of the next century.



Mary Albee
Why don't you people stick to weather and stop the political commentary. You are offensive to those who don't agree with you. No one should use position to offend others.
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Stefan Troberg ·
Stockholms Terrarium
mary.... Weather has a lot to do with climate.. thats why they do have the right to take it up. Political or not.... So your argument its not valid. So you mean that Trup has the right to offend people?
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
I love how Anti Realists think God will fix this. That's like praying when your house is on fire but you don't call 911. You may feel better but your house is still gonna burn down . Faith without works is useless .
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Michael Biales
The climate denier was a good fellow and prayed to God to let him win the lottery. Each night he prayed devotely and the next day he again did not win. After this went on for a while the climate denier prayed to God and complained, "I have been a righteous man. My faith in you has not waivered and yet you never grant my prayers." Then he heard a booming voice from above say, "Help me out here -- buy a ticket!"
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Jan Gadiel ·
Ball State University
Over the eons real science shows that there has been no relationship between CO2 in the atmoshpere and temperature. The founder of the Weather Channel and the founder of Greenpeace have both stated that the CO2 claims are groundless.
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Michael Biales
I do not know the truth of the statements by Wather Channel founder (who is probably a weatherman, not a climate scientist) nor Greenpeace. As I said below, there is an excellent correlation between the build up of CO2 from fossil fuels (identified by carbon isotope rations) and climate change since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
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Woody Johnson
Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore http://www.greenpeace.org/.../greenpeace-statement-on.../
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Woody Johnson
Jan Gadiel...it took all of 4 minutes to get the truth. http://www.snopes.com/politics/science/coleman.asp
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Ron Sebring ·
Jacksonville, North Carolina
The ISS was built with energy from coal fired powerplants. And where do these astronauts get off with their political involvement??
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Michael Biales
So, if you have ever benefited from a wrong, you should never be able to try to correct that wrong or do anything else that is right?
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Woody Johnson
Where do you get off with yours?
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Michael Biales
The ratio of carbon isotopes in the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been changing over time. The ratio is going from what it was at the beginning the industrial revolution towards the ratio prevalent in the time of the dinosaurs.Through measuring this change, one can understand how much of the CO2 is from burning fossil fuels. This correlates well with the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, showing contribution from fossil fuels is driving the change. People were measuring the isotope ratios from ice cores and other sources at least as far back as the 60s.Climate skeptics might also read "Merchants of Doubt." This book reveals that many of the same people who worked for the tobacco industry to deny for years that smoking was a health hazard have worked to sow doubt on the legitimacy of man-made global warming.Of course anyone who believes in world-wide conspiracies is not going to be convinced of abandoning their beliefs no matter how strong the evidence.
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Timothy Denlinger ·
Sole Proprietor at Denlinger Services
Wow, from the curve in this picture you might think the earth is ....ROund!
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Ron Sebring ·
Jacksonville, North Carolina
Scientists (including those working for accuweather) usually cannot accurately predict our weather beyond 48 hours. Why they believe they can predict climate change, affected by vast quantitiies of variables, is dumbfounding! The hundreds of models tried always fail.
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John Garland
How do the models "always fail"? Be specific. Use math if you can.
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Michael Biales
This is the problem with people not understanding science. If you heat a block of metal, science cannot predict accurately exatly what is happening in any region of that block. It can tell you roughly what is probably happening in any section. And it can tell you extremely accurately what is happening in the block as a whole.
People confuse weather predictions with climate science. Although they have some overlap, they are entirely different disciplines.
Concerning models: they always fail in that they are not 100% accurate. The Doubters ignore the fact that they all point in the same direction but merely disagree on the exact specifics of their conclusions.
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
That's the most ridiculous analogy. It's like saying I don't know what my little boy us going to behave like for 5 days and refusing to acknowledge how my parenting him will determine over a much longer period what kind of man he will become . Total lack of responsibility on your part.
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David Oldham ·
Works at Retired
Kelly is retired and probably seeking a job in the private sector as a dupe. Pesquet is French and needs to stay earthbound for the foreseeable future. Europeans use treaties like this to hobble our country economically and the progressive left is all for that.....jerks. Speaking of Kyoto, another treaty we did not enter into, how many of these dolts actually met their goals....none, few, BUT WE DID. More proof as to the true intentions of these useless treaties.
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Paul Griese ·
San Diego State University
I see you're retired, too. I guess your opinion is irrelavant according to your logic and judgment of Kelly who knows a lot about science and physics. Obviously you are not aware of the world events, economy, or science. The American economy has always been one of the best in the world, and was not "hobbled" at all by the treaty, in fact it has been thriving for 5 years now. 4.3% unemployment and 2% rise in economy is good. There is nothing useless, or wrong, about fighting pollution and control of man-made fossil fuels and gases. But, I guess you want polluted air, water, and record breaking heat waves, rising coastal waters, and wild fires happening all over the planet, all occuring at faster rates than normal. These are facts, not a hoax. Man-made fossil fuel burning and release of gases into the air is happening at a faster rate. Global warmimg deniers are people who spend a lot of time indoors, and have not been affected by the problems.
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
Can you please provide a factual source for your statements. They are both incorrect . No blogs . Actual verified sources only. News , agencies or University studies . Please produce your sources
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Woody Johnson
John F Vetter ;Sanctimonius ...synonyms: self-righteous, holier-than-thou, pious, pietistic, churchy, moralizing, preachy, smug, superior, priggish, hypocritical, insincere
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Paul Griese ·
San Diego State University
John F Vetter only 1000 words are allowed, so:David J. Helfand’s article in Skeptical Inquirer explains man-made causes and the C12/C13/C14 ratios. May/June 2017 “Surviving the Misinformation age.”
Climate Change: Lines of Evidence videos
http://nas-sites.org/.../climate-change-lines-of.../
Alaska Lack of Snow:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../150212-iditarod.../
Greenland's Ice Sheet Loses Mass, Global Sea Level Rise
http://www.scientificamerican.com/.../surprise-lake.../
Arctic Sea Ice Melts, Allowing Oil Companies To Move In
http://science.time.com/.../arctic-sea-ice-vanishes-and.../
Vietnam Rice Crop Suffers From Rising Sea Water...See More
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Paul Griese ·
San Diego State University
John F Vetter Russia to take advantage of global warming
http://tass.ru/en/non-political/761459
Global warming could happen quicker in Russia's coldest region
http://siberiantimes.com/.../f0065-global-warming-could.../
Again, some in Russia want Global Warming to continue, it is good for business which they can do while living and working around all the wild fires and water shortages!
Siberian Global Warming Meets Lukewarm Reaction in Russia
http://www.ipsnews.net/.../siberian-global-warming-meets.../
South Africa highly affected by Global Warming
http://www.news24.com/.../SA-highly-affected-by-global...
Climate Change in South Africa...See More
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Paul Griese ·
San Diego State University
John F Vetter All-Time Record Heat in Germany
://weather.com/.../europe-heat-wave-poland-germany-czech...

Record heatwave in the US and worst drought in 56 years
://telegraph.co.uk/.../Record-heatwave-in-the-US-and-the...

Also Read "Climate Change" published by the National Research Council, for evidence of Human Caused Climate Change
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Paul Griese ·
San Diego State University
oops, sorry, these I already posted earlier.
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Denise Hodge
Every planet in our solar system is heating up. We have entered the photon band. Our sun is brighter and hotter.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
The vast majority of Earth's warming, which is happening much more rapidly than previous historic cycles, is strongly correlated to increasing levels of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.
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Ron Sebring ·
Jacksonville, North Carolina
Kyle Navarro That correlation doesn't necessarily substantiate causation. Also, the greenhouse gas theory itself is suspect as well, unless you actually are living in a greenhouse.
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Cary Kelly ·
Santa Fe College
Part of me thinks that America deserves everything bad that happens to it, for electing that amazingly awful tyrant of president that cancels the PCA, among other things... but a bigger part of me knows that the Earth's future and all its inhabitants does not deserve this.

It's never been more embarrasing to call myself an American.
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Donald Woolston ·
Flemington, New Jersey
You will be "Long Gone" before the temperature even rises .003 of a degree. Maybe you would rather be proud to call yourself a North Korean.
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John Garland
Donald Woolston Let's see...at .017C/yr, you think Cary only has 2 months to live??? :-o Or do you think in F and he only has about 5 weeks???!!!

How do you know he's going to die so soon???
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Ida Mcneill ·
Ga Tech
Ida Mcneill
THAT was uncalled for, no matter who you voted for. I suppose you call yourself a Christian?
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William Smith ·
Scanner at DeCicco & Sons Ardsley
No, Cary Kelly,that was when Obummer was president. The American people got duped into electing that creep because of white guilt over slavery and Jim Crow. The last eight years were a disaster for us and the whole world,from the rise of ISIS to Iran getting nukes and North Korea threatening us. Funny,there's going to be a lot of climate change if Iran and North Korea and ISIS,God-forbid,nuke us and all of Europe thanks to politicians like that fraud of a 44th POTUS. Trump just has to clean up the mess fraught by Obummer.
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Cary Kelly ·
Santa Fe College
Ida Mcneill: Agnostic. Sorry if u took offense. For the most part, I dont wish bad things upon my country for its poor choices... but I can't honestly say we don't deserve it.
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Mike Beck ·
North Putnam Senior High School
I am inclined to agree with the astronauts. So, let's get China and India to stop spewing out so much polution, and stop their plans to builds dozens more coal fired power plants. The Paris Climate Accord did nothing to stop this, but it did obligate us to give away billions that would have little to zero affect on the climate. You want progress, fewer emmissions, safer, cheaper, abundant power, research Liquid fluoride thorium reactors.
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John Garland
China just cancelled 100 coal plants, many in mid-construction, or didn't you hear?

Paris "obligated" nothing except transparency.
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Ron Sebring ·
Jacksonville, North Carolina
John Garland cancelled 100 after building 300
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Jan Leschinski ·
Ellington, Connecticut
Why doesn't AccuWeather tell all the facts ie cost to the USA, Indias and Chinas contribution and when they will make the contribution. Grow up and smell the flowers.
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Bernhard Brown ·
Columbus, Ohio
It is the hoax of the century, and, the largest redistribution of wealth in the history of the world. Not hard to figure out......
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
It may help if everyone imagined for a few minutes that they are a real astronaut in space looking back at Earth. Without your spacecraft and/or space suit, you would quickly die. Now ask yourself where you could survive other than on Earth. If we mess it up, there is no planet B.

Those who believe in predetermination (I do not.) might profess that it is all in God's hands and even predetermined. Those same people might say that man cannot change the final outcome, or that man does not have enough power to change Earth. I have read those general beliefs on this blog.

However, I know that we were given free will. We can choose to destroy Earth or preserve it for our descendents for as long as is humanly possible.
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Charlie Riggs
Then where is the incentive to exp!ore space and move on? I don't care about the future of humanity. Like every other species, let's just run our course and see what happens. We should have never helped other developing nations, they will be the death of us.
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Ron Sebring ·
Jacksonville, North Carolina
The Paris agreement isn't the fix for your 'preserve or destroy' ultimatums. It's nothing more than a wealth redistribution scheme, with the majority of the "from here $" coming from America.
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Kenneth Myers ·
Hartsville, South Carolina
The two astronauts have no credibility due to the fact science have not figured out how to get past the Van Allen Belt. Therefore they have not seen anything from the I.S.S. That's probably why they always use a drawing of the earth vice a real picture or video.
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John Garland
Uh, did you miss the ISS pictures of Earth included in the article?
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Gil Favor
Kelly is the husband of Gabby Giffords. Sources indicate she was NOT injured with gunfire by Jared Loughner, a kind of false flag, if you will. Kelly is some kind of stooge for NWO interests.
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Josie Klapper ·
Leather
No he's not genus. HIS TWIN BROTHER MARK IS! I won't get into detales that I suspect would be as far over your head as the ISS is but for a SERVING OFFICER (Capt Scott Kelly IS still on active duty. MARK Kelly resigned his commision to aid in his wife's care and recovery. However they are BOTH engaging in the seperation experiment to see what changes the year long zero G deployment will have on SCOTT) to critasize the usurper in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is a VERY VERY BIG DEAL.
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Friedrich Hayek
Somebody should fire these government employees.

I wish Accuweather would stop writing these GW articles.

It is not science it is politics designed to steal our wealth and give it to lesser countries:
Frompolitifact:
Coal India produces around 84 percent of India's overall coal production, and its decision in the next 20 years to double coal production would technically mean India is planning to almost double its coal production.
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John Garland
Nice out-of-context factoid. You need to look at India whole mix but somehow you missed that! India has recently been cancelling coal contracts. For example Adani is building massive solar farms while equivocating on new coal contracts in Australia which appear to be turning into stranded assets. It is rapidly converting to all LED lighting in order to keep from building new powerplants. It is mandating 100% electric cars by 2030. (I'm sure you know that even if a car is charged by a coal plant, that is more efficient than burning fuel in an IC engine.) It is ramping up solar and wind at a rate the US might envy as that would create massive employment.
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Cary Kelly ·
Santa Fe College
USA is supposedly a world leader. We have a responsibity, an obligation to lead the way by doing the right thing. We can wag our fingers at others all we want, but we have no business doing it if we can't take care of ourselves.

Shame on you for blasting these two men for having the courage to speak what they believe. Not only do they have a better perspective for this issue, suggesting they be fired for speaking their mind is nothing less than wiping your feet on the constitution.
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Bernhard Brown ·
Columbus, Ohio
Cary Kelly , maybe you and the above mentioned can redistribute your wealth to the third world countries so those of us who are not "bought in" can go our own way.
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Charlie Riggs
John Garland Guess who owns all the solar and eco companies? Liberals and their supporters. No one has the right to force Americans​ to conform, we own the country not our politicians. M
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Alexander Throckmorton ·
Abba dabba dabbler at Self-Employed
Take me back to the good old days prior to industrialization. No coal, oil or thermometers. Perfect.
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FW Danforth
Says two astronauts as their rocket dumps thousands gallons of spent fuel into the atmosphere and now in space....
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
How else would they get into space? The research they do while in space is more valuable than the greenhouse gasses that would be saved otherwise.
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Alison DeNee ·
Front End Rep at Atlantic Health System
I was just thinking that...
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Josie Klapper ·
Leather
Huh? <looking around for the buzzer/gong> Rocket fuel is compressed HYDROGEN. (Solid or liquid depending on the rocket in question) The exaust off of a rocket is the prouduct of burning HYDROGEN. It burns when you mix it with OXYGEN and the waste product is that horride pollutent H2O... AKA WATER. Steam in this case... No wonder it looks like the the Russians were able to get away with committing ACTS of WAR against the United States of America....
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John Garland
Soyuz boosters use RP1 and LOX, RP1 is basically kerosene.
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David Oldham ·
Works at Retired
Josie Klapper Get your act together, compressed hydrogen is a gas, no one uses solid hydrogen if that is even possible and in fact they use liquid hydrogen. However solid rockets use neither and are in fact a solid chemical.
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
I wish all Chump Sheep could just open their minds a crack. Just a little and see how ridiculous they appear on every issue facing our country and our world. Neandrathal Thinking is going to get a lot of people killed. Not to mention, wildlife, crop failure, the change in the Wildfire Season in the American Southwest. Open your eyes , do some research. The evidence for carbon footprint reduction is incontrovertible, you may be dumb enough to not care about your kids , and their kids futures but most of us do.
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John Garland
People that believe in worldwide conspiracies of thousands upon thousands of scientists in every country in the world--and we see them right here in this section--probably are not reachable with any sort of logical or factual reasoning.
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Gil Favor
John Garland Government edict: either scientists believe what the governments tell them, or they lose their jobs. Remember the weathermen at the East Anglia station who lied to get grants and keep their jobs?????? Probably forgot, right? Sucka......
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John Garland
Gil Favor Actually no I do not remember that because it never happened. And there is no such thing as "East Anglia Station". Not even a train stop.Oh, and weathermen and climatologists are two different things.

So, you figure governments in every country in the world are enforcing this edict? To cheat exactly the same way--all governments want warming and none cooling? To cheat by exactly the same amount--all a bit over 1C to date?

Wow!!! I hear there is a sale on tin foil down at the dollar store!
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
What we have done to our atmosphere with Carbon Fuels ...H Bomb tests in the most important part of our upper atmosphere have had very determinable effects on our climate . If like me you grew up in NYC in the 1970's and you could see home movies you would have no doubt that 40 years of envionmental regulation has brought meaningful change and that's just NY. As far as other countries they have as much to gain from moving to clean energy as we do. China has started doing more than it was mandated to. Japan ...The EU. This planet is very near the tipping point as far as irreversible damage goes. How selfish of private interest to deny problems they created. Can you say Love Canal. The rise in sea level and temperature. I can , I live less than 30 yards from the Ocean . It's June and our water Temps are easily mid July . That makes all sorts of crummy stuff happen to marine life as well as swimmers. The Brown Alger bloom in the late 80's. . Wake up
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Kathy Vickers Burdick ·
Michigan State University
Medieval warm period localized and not that warm- cooler than today by 4 to 6 F
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David Oldham ·
Works at Retired
So you can grove olives in southern England like they did then....hmm?
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John F Vetter ·
Rockaway Park
Thank God People with brains are willing to speak the truth. The guy whho thinks he won the election, needs to be educated on soooo many things...but his ignorance on the enviornment is staggering. Flat Earth idiocy
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William Smith ·
Scanner at DeCicco & Sons Ardsley
And I suspect that you bicycle to work and drive only electric cars and recycle everything and put your thermostat at a level so you don't cool your home in the summer and heat it in the winter? Yeah, 200 years ago there was no "climate change" (which is stupid because the climate is always changing. The climate isn't supposed to stay stagnant forever), but life expectancy was only about 40 or 50 years and milions were dying of milaria and other such diseases. I guess you green lefties want to go back to that,too.Also,maybe you all can tell us what level of CO2 is perfect and how do we know we're at that level? Oh right,we never will because that might mean we don't need governmental beaurocrats telling us how to live our lives like you green leftist central one-world government societal planners.
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Craig Campbell ·
Works at Huntleigh USA
please tell us why from the space station's prospective,what do you see from up there not just more fanatical threats
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Can you rephrase that?
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John Garland
You may feel fanantical threats from everywhere, true. But actually, an experience so common that it has been given a name--the "overview effect"--is for astronauts (and cosmonauts) to see a oneness with no national boundaries which is very tiny and fragile and in need of protection. Google it.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
John Garland, Exactly!
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Cary Kelly ·
Santa Fe College
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHE0n5c6-6g

this is a time lapse video animation of the depleting arctic ice from '84 to '16, made from observations by NASA. The sceptic might argue about what the real cause for this ice loss is but it should be frightening enough for all of us to realize, we have to do something.
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Adrian Gilbert ·
Tidewater Community College
We don't need Paris agreements to take action ourselves to change our energy wasteful polluting lifestyles. Don't let the cloud of choking smog from the full size SUV and trump sticker get you down as you bike into work. Some people take longer to learn what you already know.
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Manfred Edwards
Another political attack from Dem's in space.Why no opinion from other astonauts??? Did these comments further someones jop security & political views? Paris deal is a big scam! NASA should leave the obvious one sided politics and self serving propaganda out of the space program.It cheapens a noble cause.Get back to your proud mission where everyone supported your purity and sense of excitment for the greatest adventure for mankind.I rest my case.
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Jay McManus ·
Works at Self-Employed
I see. So everyone should just Stay in Their Lane. That includes American citizens such as Astronauts, Professional Atheltes, and Artists.

Sounds like the birth of Tyranny to me.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Manfred, who says they're democrats? All I see are two astronauts who are very successful scientists and are smarter than you or me combined. "Why no opinion from other astonauts???" Well why don't you ask them or search for their stated opinions?
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Diane Shephard ·
Merrimack College
It's an article about the opinions of 2 astronauts, not about the correctness of their opinions, We should expect other astronauts to register their own opiniions if they agree or disagree but that is beyond the scope of this article which is not "What do astronauts think about global warning" but simply "These 2 astronauts said these specific things aboiut global warning."
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Ida Mcneill ·
Ga Tech
Ida Mcneill
I'd be way more suspicious if they all had spoken together. Then you could make a case for being told what to say..
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Dan Delgado ·
Claremont High
Since the climate has consistently changed throughout the history of Earth, who made the determination of what our "ideal" climate "should" be?
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Aaron J Levitt ·
Behavioral Health Specialist at Health Care Software, Inc
1) A climate that doesn't flood millions or billions of people and billions of $ of property. This isn't a values issue regarding an "ideal" climate; the cities simply are where they are, and a substantial rise in sea levels will cause tremendous damage.
2) A climate that is +stable+, and does not trigger a feedback loop leading to conditions that are clearly non-ideal for human survival.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
We did. From how we grow our crops to how we travel from place to place, our entire society is dependant of the existing global environment that it was built upon, and if that global environment were altered it would cause everything to fall apart. Since the global warming phenomenon we're experiencing is no doubt anthropocentric (human-made) we can stop it. For the skeptis, even if global warming isn't man-made at all, it will still spell disaster for our society.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
In short, the human race provides the determination of what a good climate is. The Holocene Epoch (the last 11,700 years) has been relatively very stable and has given rise to large scale human civilization. The prior 4.5 billion years did not. We are presently very rapidly (in geologic time frame) warming above Holocene global average temperature. We should not gamble with our "Goldilocks" climate.
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John Garland
Thomas McHugh For about 2/3rds of that time, there wasn't even enough oxygen to support human life. That is, the "natural" average state of the Earth has been lethal to humans. This apparently does not concern Dan.
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Dan Delgado ·
Claremont High
Well, I guess they have to do something. NASA used to send rockets and astronauts into space, now they manipulate the raw data to make it appear like we have global warming.
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John Garland
Other countries come up with the same results. Do you REALLY believe there is a worlwide conspiracy involving tens to hundreds of thousands of people in countries around the world all manipulating the data the same way to support dems in the US?

Wonderful conspiracy ideation!
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
NASA manipulates the data? Tell me, which reputable source told you that "[NASA] manipulates the raw data?" You do know that NASA aren't the only ones coming up with this data, right? It comes from a vast range of different agencies, companies (including scientists who work for big oil companies), independant scientists, and others all around the globe.
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Cary Kelly ·
Santa Fe College
Wheel your bbq grill into your living room. Fire it up and see what happens...
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Phil Beatty ·
Owner-Chief Instructor at FitVenture
For those of you who don't think man made activity has an effect on climate; where do you think man made atmospheric carbon pollution goes?
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Chuck Rossow ·
Cookeville, Tennessee
into plants. They take the excess co2 and change it into o2.
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Phil Beatty ·
Owner-Chief Instructor at FitVenture
Chuck Rossow they do, but only what comes to them and we've been removing much of the planet's vegetation. It's not enough.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Chuck Rossow, The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere has increased from 280 ppm in 1880 to the present concentration of 405 ppm. Obviously, the excess human caused emissions of CO2 have not been absorbed by plants.
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Dale McGill
Pulling out of that agreement has nothing to do with "belief" in global warming.
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Winky Herbison
We are doing something but then Paris Accord is a sham----taking advantage of us---we can do the same without them--Global nonsense
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
I thilnk it's fair. The reason it seens like they made harsher guidelines for us here in the US is becaude the US pollutes much more than many other countries. Probably because, for some odd unknown reason, many Ammericans are skeptical of global climate change. We (the United States) make up only 5% of the world's population yet we use 25% of the world's resources.
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Jay McManus ·
Works at Self-Employed
Kyle Navarro
Oh, Kyle. Don't try to pitch actual facts at the True Believers. You'll fail. Every time.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Jay McManus, what? Would you care to elaborate?
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Kathy Vickers Burdick ·
Michigan State University
Thomas McHugh- fabulous article! Scientific and unbiased.
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Gozzo Dorothy ·
UCONN
We are global, not isolated. It is very important to join and contribute to the world welfare. Withdrawing is not the answer.
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Salvador Acevedo ·
Best auto electrician at Sal's Auto Electric
bull, the usa gets screwed period
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Yes Dorothy, We all live on Earth and there is no Planet B. We Americans, have by far, been the single worst cumulative emitter of GHGs of all nations. We should not now cut and run from the problem.
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Paul Kennedy ·
Stone Ridge, New York
Thomas McHugh Funny how you ignore China's pollution as well as India's. This paris accord was nothing more than redistribution of wealth from the USA to the rest of the world. Secondly these other nations faced no enforcement of the accord. They could agree but then not do anything. Total sham as is manmade global warming.
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Jim Mitchell ·
University of Pittsburgh
Trump is only worried about his investments that would be affected by the Paris agreement.
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Dave Steele
The Paris climate agreement is nothing but wealth redistribution, plain and simple. Take $$$ from the wealthy countries and redistribute it amongst the poor countries. Just a big scam
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
It creates a solid agenda for curbing our society's global greenhouse gas emissions.
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Dave Steele
Kyle Navarro , yea, keep on believing the lies
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Joe Yeti ·
Whiting School of Engineering at Johns Hopkins University
GREAT decision by President Trump! Glad we are out of this redistribution of our wealth scheme. The Globull Warming Religon is crashing.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
You went to college to be an engineer and you don't undrstand anthropogenic climate change?
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John Smith
Climate change is REAL....happens every day....and it's on CYCLE to change again. In the past 50 years the temp has changed .1 (point) degrees, and in the last 150 years it's changed .80 (point) degrees. Unless mankind can figure out how to control the sun it's a DEAD issue. The ONLY thing we can do here on Earth is stop abusing the worlds resources and polluting the enviroment. ALSO.....stop/slowdown making babies.
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Elizabeth Wyman
I totally agree with you. 25 years ago, I knew not to bring a baby into a world. Why bring another into a world which is going down? Our ecosystem is going kaput. Though we have some knowledge of what is happening, we will probably be surprised by the extent of the damage we've done and continue to do. Too many hide their heads in the sand, pretend that nothing has gone awry. Changes in our ecosystem has been obvious to me since childhood.
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Coleen Mccloskey ·
Haledon, New Jersey
All sooo true!!
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
John, yes, fluctuations in solar activity as well as changes in the perihelion & ahelion of the Earth's orbit around the sun have effects on global climate, but the current global warming trend we're seeing is undoubtedly anthropogenic (man-made). It's not part of the historic cycle, we have the ability to stop it - if we can all find a way to cooperate, that is. If only there were some sort of agreement that could be made among all the world's leaders to curb our greenhouse gas emissions.
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Becky Shawver ·
Warehouse Supervisor at First Quality Baby Products
Global warming may be happening but there is NO scientific proof as to how much mankind is contributing to the effect. We can't accurately predict the weather 3 days ahead let alone predict what the climate will be 50 years from now. Back in the 1970's all the scientific minds were talking about another ice age coming. Science ceases to exist when conclusions are based on theory and conjecture, which has been proven wrong many times through the ages.
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Jim Mitchell ·
University of Pittsburgh
Ask the polar bears if they agree with your global statement.
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Christopher Burgr ·
Stewartville Secondary
Jim Mitchell You mean the stable population of about 25K polar bears?
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Christopher Burgr, you got a source for that info?
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Tom DeBiase
One volcano eruption can wipeout years of human climate change efforts.Its happend many times in the past and will happen again despite
all human efforts. I suggest you read up on this.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Yet, the warming trend continues as random volcanic eruptions have occurred. The aerosol emissions provide a cooling forcing of the planet for a few years while the GHGs warm the planet.
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Jonnie Baker ·
Facebook leaves so much to be desired! at Legal Field
So much is out of human control. That is true. But there also is so much we can do to decrease the wear & tear on Planet Earth. In terms of thousands of years, every little bit helps, like the head bone is connected to the neck bone & the neck bone is connected to the should bone & ... A bitsy change in one thing impacts every 'next' thing. Trump would do well to fund training coal miners for 2018 jobs than to fund the rich so they can donate to his future.
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Hugh Kuchta
this is absolute trash. A weak America will most likely bring Nuclear war. Keep it up and that's what you will get. Watch what you wish for.
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Ronald Pankonin ·
South Saint Paul Senior High School
MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD CATCH UP TO THE US LOOK AT CHINA & INDIA TO START WITH.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
If the rest of the world catches up with American cumulative GHG emissions...Game Over. "Cumulative" is what is most important because the CO2 remains in the atmosphere for generations further warming the planet. The added heat that is already in the "pipeline" cannot be prevented. However, the rate of additional GHG emissions and the resulting additional warming can still be mitigated if America leads.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Ronald, unlike here in the US, China and India are developing countries, which is why they aren't expected to make such strong efforts to curb their emissions. That being said, China and India are both making great progress in growing their renewable resources. Thus, China and India are becoming role models for the United States. So when you say "MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD CATCH UP TO THE US" it's actually the other way around; the US should catch up with the rest of the world.
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Kathy Vickers Burdick ·
Michigan State University
Deniers- so depressing! Bunch of little Neros fiddling while the world burns. Phil Davison resorts to character assassination; Robert Cook- uses "data" disproven over and over and over...
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Chris Andrus ·
Founder at Christianityistrue.org
To call doubters "deniers" is the language of dogmatic believers, not rational advocates of Science, who are skeptical by nature. Today's majority of uncritical followers of the so-called "scientific consensus" is the real problem! Scientific truth isn't determined by a majority vote! Today's climate-change hysteria is driven by the desire of elitists to rule over the rest of us and promoted by government-funded researchers, who have to toe the line or be cut off from their funding.
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Jay McManus ·
Works at Self-Employed
Chris Andrus
I'm not a scientist. Neither are you. My belief in Climate Change is based on the views of those who ~are~ scientists.

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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Robert Cook ·
Texas A&M University
1/3 of 1 degree warming .. since 1970's low global average temperature. 2 mm/year sea level rise, but that rate has not changed since the early 1800's. Higher temperatures in 1930-1940 than today. No increase in temperatures since 1998 - almost 20's years of NO temperature rise, but CO2 up by 20%! ANd, EVERY plant on earth growing 12% to 27% faster, taller, higher, more green, more fruit, more liimbs and more drought-resistant. But they "claim" they can see 'global warming" effects from space? Pure propaganda. No science.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Robert, You need to upgrade your sources. Stay away from the denier blogs and turn off the talk radio. I am not trying to pick a fight. I am respectfully telling you that your information is wrong because it came from debunked denier sources. The real climate science is very clear, and easy to find if you are really interested.
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Paul Kennedy ·
Stone Ridge, New York
Thomas McHugh You should update your sources. Here is a start Read Singer and Avery's "Unstoppable (Every 1500 Years) Global Warming". You're being played Thomas.
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Kyle Navarro ·
Ski Instructor at The Summit at Snoqualmie
Paul, no, Thomas is right; the evidence supporting anthropogenic climate change which comes from thousands of reputable sources around the globe is very clear and holds oceans more water than the occasional inaccurate denier source. I have not read Singer and Avery's "Unstopable Global Warming," but have you read any single piece of scientific literature covering global warming?
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Susan Romano ·
New Utrecht High School
Oh what do astronauts and scientists know? It's really about the US economy. I believe most posters know more about the subject than they do. Just let it be and see how things progress in the future. After all, there's no way 8 or so billion can affect the climate�. Let's just continue business as usual.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Susan, That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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Bob Shepherd ·
Environmental Science Teacher at Berkshire Community College
Thomas McHugh, I'm hoping Susan was being sarcastic. It sure seems that way.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Bob Shepherd, Yes. I agree. I think that she was being sarcastic, which doesn't always work well with many contrarians.
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Paul Johnson ·
Structural Engineer at Retired
This article ignores a 2012 letter to the agency, signed by 49 NASA scientists and astronauts, that states in part:

"We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself."

Since then, the deceit of global warming alarmists has only gotten worse.
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Helen Jo Hotchkin ·
Works at Drake Community Library
The letter said "Unproven and unsupported remarks". Could be this IS proven and supported... a picture says a thousand words after all and they have thousands of them that tell us climate change is real.
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Kurt Becker ·
Hixson, Tennessee
Helen Jo Hotchkin
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Kurt Becker ·
Hixson, Tennessee
somehow, two astronauts criticizing DJT's stepping away from a worthless, toothless accord is seen by some as VALIDATION that AGW is real? Climate changes. Climate IS changing. Whether it's driven by man and can be solved by limiting man's behavior? way different issue.
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Susan Teetsel
stop with the climate unless you start changing it millions of years ago. remember- ny city was a 200 ft ocean years ago.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Preserving the climate of The Holocene Epoch (the last 11,700 years) is what is relevant. Large scale human civilization never developed in the prior 4 billion years. Indeed, it could not.
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Mitch Diviney ·
Owner at Diviney Pool Supply
Climate change is real! It has been changing for millions of years. No reason to be part of a deal that kills the U.S. economy while not holding others to the same standards.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
The United States developed the American Dream quality of living with the combustion of fossil fuels. Our cumulative GHG emissions since 1950 or 1880 to present far exceed any other country on Earth. The CO2 that America pumped into the atmosphere will still be warming the Earth for generations. That warming is already in the "pipeline." It cannot be stopped. The least that Americans can do is provide leadership on an international effort to mitigate additional global warming and climate change. It is immoral and un-American to "cut and run" from a problem that we did so much, and continue to do so much, to create.
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Tree Greenhill ·
Ontario High School
Thomas McHugh First it was global cooling and we would all be under ice, the ozone had a hole in it and we would lose all our ozone. Next it was global warming, ozone fixed itself but now its going to get hot and we are losing the ice flows, NOW since they dont know its climate change.. Climate change is a fact, Has been for millions of years.. A single volcano puts out more then the human race combined, in its history.. So much for Science although many got rich off of it.. AS far as the Accord goes.. When China can not only keep polluting and increase that pollution for years before doing anything (then its optional) as well as other countries,yet America is to slash our resources and jobs, and give billions to lesser countries to use basically as they please makes it a redistribution of weath accord.. with no teeth,no real affect.. We can lead but not pay.. share technology, but they have to do the work and pay for it..
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Nancy Watson ·
Artist and Designer at Seed Graphics
Tree Greenhill I can't claim to know a whole lot about this matter. My father was a scientist, my cousin an oceanographer and they became very concerned as the Greenland ice sheet started melting at a much faster rate, but concerning ozone. there was,,,there is a hole. People have increased rates of skin cancer because of it. And the hole is getting better but not by itself. Laws were passed to stop the use of freon gas in refrigerators and other cooling devices...freon was cinsidered to be responsible for the growing hole... we changed our behavior, used something else and the problem began to improve.
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Thomas McHugh ·
The Pennsylvania State University
Tree Greenhill, While a few people in the media were concerned about global cooling in the 1970's our National Academy of Sciences was in agreement that global warming, not cooling, was the problem that needed to be addressed. The hole in the ozone layer was corrected through an international agreement decades ago. Imagine that!

Why do you hate or fear science? Who got rich, other than the fossil fuel industry executives? Why do you ignore the fact that we are far and away the leader in cumulative GHG emissions?

Lastly..."...redistribution of wealth accord..." ???
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Jay McManus ·
Works at Self-Employed
Tree Greenhill
The damaged Ozone Layer did ~not~ fix itself. You know this makes you a Denier of Reality, right?

"The phase-out of chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) chemicals means that the ozone layer is “expected to recover in response, albeit very slowly.” CFCs, once commonly found in aerosols and refrigeration, can linger in the atmosphere for more than 50 years, meaning that the ozone hole will not be considered healed until 2050 or 2060."

https://www.theguardian.com/.../ozone-layer-hole-appears...
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